Comments on: Gay marriage and the Bible http://dwayne.thebaileys.name/2006/06/23/gay-marriage-and-the-bible/ The rantings of a middle aged geek Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:00:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Tamar Burnum http://dwayne.thebaileys.name/2006/06/23/gay-marriage-and-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-106068 Tamar Burnum Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:21:46 +0000 http://dwayne.thebaileys.name/2006/06/23/gay-marriage-and-the-bible/#comment-106068 Amazing! what a thought ! What a concept ! Beautiful .. Amazing … Amazing! what a thought ! What a concept ! Beautiful .. Amazing …

]]> By: Jon http://dwayne.thebaileys.name/2006/06/23/gay-marriage-and-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-104288 Jon Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:06:58 +0000 http://dwayne.thebaileys.name/2006/06/23/gay-marriage-and-the-bible/#comment-104288 I'm Jewish. I've never understood which group of Christians follow what part of the "Old Testament" and why. I hear a lot about the 10 Commandments from Christians. Did you know there are actually 613? I've also heard about distinction between ethical and ritual laws. Did you know that kosher slaughter is an ethical law because it commands the most pain free way known (at the time) to kill the animal? So, I'm really laughing at this whole gay marriage thing. Lev. 18:22 commands no anal rape. So what? I don't think anyone has a problem with that rule. I'm not sure what the Priestly authors would have done with a loving homosexual relationship. Probably not too fond. But the thing is, there are a lot of rules in there that even Jews have more or less discarded. Slavery's rules are dictated in the Torah. Polygamy was the practice of all of the major figures of the Hebrew Bible except Isaac. And don't get me started on the sabbath. Say just for the sake of the argument that Saturday wasn't the correct sabbath, that Christians have it right and it's Sunday. What part of don't light fires etc. etc. don't you understand? Both versions of the 10 commandments require sabbath observance. "Keep" and "Remember." The Right wing obsession with one mitzvah that doesn't even mean what they think it means and zero textual support even in the New Testament for no gay marriage shows just how homophobic this matter is. If I was going to spend millions making sure one mitzvah got enforced, I might consider Do not Murder, or perhaps When you go to the land, plant trees there. I’m Jewish.

I’ve never understood which group of Christians follow what part of the “Old Testament” and why. I hear a lot about the 10 Commandments from Christians. Did you know there are actually 613?

I’ve also heard about distinction between ethical and ritual laws. Did you know that kosher slaughter is an ethical law because it commands the most pain free way known (at the time) to kill the animal?

So, I’m really laughing at this whole gay marriage thing. Lev. 18:22 commands no anal rape. So what? I don’t think anyone has a problem with that rule. I’m not sure what the Priestly authors would have done with a loving homosexual relationship. Probably not too fond. But the thing is, there are a lot of rules in there that even Jews have more or less discarded.

Slavery’s rules are dictated in the Torah. Polygamy was the practice of all of the major figures of the Hebrew Bible except Isaac.

And don’t get me started on the sabbath. Say just for the sake of the argument that Saturday wasn’t the correct sabbath, that Christians have it right and it’s Sunday. What part of don’t light fires etc. etc. don’t you understand?

Both versions of the 10 commandments require sabbath observance. “Keep” and “Remember.”

The Right wing obsession with one mitzvah that doesn’t even mean what they think it means and zero textual support even in the New Testament for no gay marriage shows just how homophobic this matter is.

If I was going to spend millions making sure one mitzvah got enforced, I might consider Do not Murder, or perhaps When you go to the land, plant trees there.

]]> By: Bible Study Verses http://dwayne.thebaileys.name/2006/06/23/gay-marriage-and-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-102765 Bible Study Verses Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:44:55 +0000 http://dwayne.thebaileys.name/2006/06/23/gay-marriage-and-the-bible/#comment-102765 Excellent post.Keep up the smashing work,You should definitely have to keep updating your site Excellent post.Keep up the smashing work,You should definitely have to keep updating your site

]]> By: Christianity and the Bible http://dwayne.thebaileys.name/2006/06/23/gay-marriage-and-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-85305 Christianity and the Bible Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:15:38 +0000 http://dwayne.thebaileys.name/2006/06/23/gay-marriage-and-the-bible/#comment-85305 This is problem that has bothered me for years and I still do not know how to solve it. On the one hand it is true that the fifteenth chapter of Acts, the verses 28 and 29, seem to suggest that Jesus Christ did away with all the hundreds of laws and regulations that together formed the law of Moses. Including the so-called ten commandments. The verses suggest that for Christians there are only three commandments left: the three commandments of the verses mentioned. But on the other hand it is unthinkable that God allows Christians to murder, to steal, to commit adultery, etcetera. A possible solution that a number of Bible verses suggests is this: for Christians there is no definite set of rules or laws any more. They must love their fellow humans like they love themselves and treat their fellow humans the way they would like to be treated by them. This is problem that has bothered me for years and I still do not know how to solve it. On the one hand it is true that the fifteenth chapter of Acts, the verses 28 and 29, seem to suggest that Jesus Christ did away with all the hundreds of laws and regulations that together formed the law of Moses. Including the so-called ten commandments.
The verses suggest that for Christians there are only three commandments left: the three commandments of the verses mentioned.
But on the other hand it is unthinkable that God allows Christians to murder, to steal, to commit adultery, etcetera.
A possible solution that a number of Bible verses suggests is this: for Christians there is no definite set of rules or laws any more. They must love their fellow humans like they love themselves and treat their fellow humans the way they would like to be treated by them.

]]> By: Jason http://dwayne.thebaileys.name/2006/06/23/gay-marriage-and-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-76463 Jason Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:38:20 +0000 http://dwayne.thebaileys.name/2006/06/23/gay-marriage-and-the-bible/#comment-76463 I have to say that you should read Romans Chapters 1-3. You will see some very straighforward comments about homosexuality as well as many other things. I have to say that it is not a matter of putting a set of rules on others, it is about what keeps you seperated from Jesus. Because I love my children, I set parameters for them so they don't get hurt. It is the same with the Lord and christians like me. I don't want to condemn anyone, but at the same time I don't want anyone to be hurt in the longrun when I could have prevented it. I have to say that you should read Romans Chapters 1-3. You will see some very straighforward comments about homosexuality as well as many other things. I have to say that it is not a matter of putting a set of rules on others, it is about what keeps you seperated from Jesus. Because I love my children, I set parameters for them so they don’t get hurt. It is the same with the Lord and christians like me. I don’t want to condemn anyone, but at the same time I don’t want anyone to be hurt in the longrun when I could have prevented it.

]]> By: John http://dwayne.thebaileys.name/2006/06/23/gay-marriage-and-the-bible/comment-page-1/#comment-1542 John Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:06:48 +0000 http://dwayne.thebaileys.name/2006/06/23/gay-marriage-and-the-bible/#comment-1542 Two things: The "essentials" were not meant to be an exhaustive list. Given the uproar over circumcision, it was a way to smooth over relations between Jews and Gentiles. Gentiles observing these few things would be more kindly received by the Jewish (legalistic) Christians. It was common for the sacrifices to pagan idols to be sold in market. James says, 'don't buy these products'. Blood (rare cooked food??) and strangulated animals were eaten by Gentiles. James said, 'Abstain from this practice'. Fornication seems like the only given on the list. Fornication is Gk. porneia and has a more exhaustive definition in Greek language than Webster's defintion: illicit sexual intercourse a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc. b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18 c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12 Two things:

The “essentials” were not meant to be an exhaustive list. Given the uproar over circumcision, it was a way to smooth over relations between Jews and Gentiles. Gentiles observing these few things would be more kindly received by the Jewish (legalistic) Christians.

It was common for the sacrifices to pagan idols to be sold in market. James says, ‘don’t buy these products’. Blood (rare cooked food??) and strangulated animals were eaten by Gentiles. James said, ‘Abstain from this practice’. Fornication seems like the only given on the list.

Fornication is Gk. porneia and has a more exhaustive definition in Greek language than Webster’s defintion:

illicit sexual intercourse

a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.

b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18

c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12

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